Whatever happened to community colleges? Are community colleges in states other than California so expensive that people need to work full-time jobs, grants, and loans to be able to pay for it?

I guess I shouldn't have said next year. The cuts are coming in 2006. Anyways here are a couple links to the sites that contain this information.

psychx,

I read the stories at both those links. You realize those are proposals and haven't been voted on or even sent before congress, right?

They may in fact turn out to be the actual figures used, assuming nothing changes in the actual writing of the 2006 budget and assuming Congress doesn't compromise, as usually happens. I think the chances of that happening are slim to none.

Which brings us back to the point. The actual budget ... the one that is real and not proposed or an idea only ... contains an increase.

This leads back to the Presidents comments regarding the same old rhetoric coming from Democrats. An increase is called a cut in order to alienate their base toward the Republicans. They say they are calling it a cut because it's not a large enough increase. Then why not tell the truth and say it's an increase but not as much as they would like or as much as they think is needed?

Sounds as if Herrkurt could be in denial about not being anti religious. Life is a system of trade offs. You drive x amount of miles just to work at the job that you wanted; You go to such n such college, but you have to live this far away from home or pay a huge tuitionin order to do it; You want to live in the suburbs, but this means getting up really early to get to work.
Lets say that you send you really child to this school, because you really like it, even though it's not of your faith. If the parents gently teach their faith, or lack of it, to their families where it begins, at home, then in my humble opinion, there's less of a chance that someone else can uproot it in school, or elsewhere. People who could afford it have been successfully sending their children to schools outside their denomination for years. It all comes down to this: Just how much of this particular religion will this school be showcasing (and no, I'm not trying to push censorship onto religious schools)? How much of this information do I want my child to know? And how much of a foundation of my beliefs, or lack of it have I built at home before I sent my little progeny out the door in the first place.? So Herr, call it what you want, but it sounds like you're in denial. I also agree with Cosby.

i once read a book review that explained that a lot of poorer midwestern/southerners don't vote democratic even though a lot of leftist programs/policies would benefit them because in essence "the democrats look down on them so if they won't get their respect then the democrats won't get their vote".

i feel the same thing happens with african american voters, except that african americans won't even benefit from the republicans that much.

one example is where trent lott said that if strom thurmond had won the presidency america would be a better place today. freaking madness. (for those who don't know much about thurmond's '48 run for president as a dixiecrat, he was strongly, strongly in favor of segregation)

i'm not an african american but...

Does the Democrat party take African American voters for granted?
yeah, sometimes.

I know plenty of politicians assume they have your vote. But do they earn it and do they deserve it?
depends on the politician.

Is it a good thing for the African American community to be represented mainly by one political party?
no. but, what has the republicans done to earn an african american voting block?

How is it possible to gain political leverage if the party is never forced to compete?
simple: if no african americans showed up, the democrats lose. a better question: why should african americans vote for republicans rather than democrats?

Have the traditional solutions of the Democrat party truly served the African American community?
some have, some haven't.

Does blocking the faith-based initiative help neighborhoods where the only social service provider could be a church?
depends on a person's view on secularism.

Does the status quo in education really, really help the children of this country?
no. unless you live in a good area with good schools.

Does class warfare -- has class warfare or higher taxes ever created decent jobs in the inner city?
hard to say precisely: practical economics can't be reduced to an equation like "tax rich + tech boom = better life for all poorer people" or "tax cut -recession -deficit -war = mixed or bad results"

Are you satisfied with the same answers on crime, excuses for drugs and blindness to the problem of the family?
death sentences and drug sentencing is often more punishing against african americans. i am pretty sure most of those policies were the result of republican efforts rather than democratic ones. (one type of drug that is more likely used by blacks is heavily punished, another type used more often by whites is not as heavily punished. last i heard death sentencing is overly influenced by whether the victim was black or white)

Hahaha... wrong.
I'm going to one of the cheapest colleges in the country, they've been raising prices to be in the mid-range without adding any benefit (while increasing admin budgets yet not sending anything to help retain professors). Loans suck but delayed gratification is bull, you wait too long and that's all your going to be doing, waiting. Getting up and going back to college after going into the job market is pretty hard. SOmeone else paying, you do realize that loans have to be repaid back by the BORROWER? So the guy below and myself will be paying those off - the government is just acting as a "cosigner" in essense ensuring that the school does get paid if someone defaults (which has consequences, ruined credit etc). On a prior reply, you saved parent's saved before... um if your making as someone said 24k a year and have kids your not going to be able to save much realistically. A single person could get by on 24k pretty well as long as they didn't go overboard. People of little minds, yes, little_wip probably why you only did 2 years but think of it this way, your husband will be raking in some good amount of money with that phd... your sister-in-law (or whatever) by getting that bump to a lpn will improve her options: this is why people are going to college and putting themselves into debt.
No i did not spellcheck, wanted instant gratification in replying

Reply By: little_whip Posted: Sunday, July 25, 2004
I go to school full time and I have a full time job. I know plenty of my peers who do the same and we still need grants and loans for the rising costs of attending a university.


I did go for 2 years. My Hubby has a Masters and has been working on a PhD for SIX years. My sister in law took almost FIVE years to get the additional credits to earn her RN from LPN. It has nothing to do with scholastic ability. Its called "living within your means." Its called "delayed gratification." Its called "biting off only what one can chew."

If you are working full time and still need grants, perhaps you could take fewer courses over a longer time span in order to earn your degree? Perhaps a less expensive college could be considered?

Nahh, that would be too hard, wouldnt it. Theres nothing wrong with wanting things NOW, the problem arises when you want someone else to pay for your impatience.